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NEW College football schedule announced ! Vote now
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Why not throw out schedules all together, and let conferences play in own league for first 3 games, then after 3 games, top 3 teams in each league, play top 3 teams in other conferences. Big East SEC /Big 10 Acc/ Big 12 pac 10 in game, or better yet, the top ranked of those teams, play each other, If SEC team has top ranked team after 3 games, then have them play the highest rated team in NEXT conference, and so on,,, It would put a end to who is best, and stop all this. Game 5 play another league game, game six, play top rated teams against each other in any league, not always these leagues, IF notre dame has high ranked team, let them play the highest rated team next to them. BUT, you have to let the TOP rated teams in each conference play top rated teams in other conferences, in order to make it fair. Since some teams get votes no matter how good they may or may not be, JUST BY NAME, and some teams get no votes, even though good, this way, leagues have chance to show if they are worthy or not. Play last game this way too. That way, we would know who should actually play in bowl games for national championship game...

It would be very easy to do, just have each ranked team, play the next ranked team closest to them. All the way down to bottom. Does not have to be just top three, but , make sure the top THREE out of each major conference, play each other.
THINK,
REALLY think here, HOW exciting this would be... Man, having number one through 18 play each other 3 times a year... number one and two, three times a year... This would prove who was good... Make sure same teams would not play each other. But this would really ad excitement and stop all this bickering about conferences, and what is fair. Let the computers do the scoring, based on stats, and who beat who etc... not personal voting. We would still have to live with voting at end, but it would really make for fun and exciting year.

YOU would have NO idea who your were going to play, until the week of... NO month to prepare like in bowl games, and think how this would add money to colleges, so they can not complain, bowl committees can not complain, so who is left? ONLY THE COACHES.. Of the conferences who now get the automatic votes they currently get, and do not want to prove it on the field...
IF the BCS will not do a playoff, then take the playoffs to them. THROW out the current schedule, and play it this way, UNLESS your league does not have the guts...
Stop this playing university of the blind... Good grief, put excitement back in college football and take politics out of it...
Now, who is for this...
VOTE...
 
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Who is in favor of this type schedule?

Do you think this would help prove who is collge footballs best team?

Can you think of better way, even if playoffs?


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Proof Democrats Misleading us and we WILL pay higher taxes, MUCH higher
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IF YOU do NOT want to PAY HIGHER TAXE’S, then you need to READ THIS AND PASS IT ON.

(START PAYING AS MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS AS YOU DO SPORTS, CRAFTS, PASSING ON OTHER TYPE EMAILS, OR ANY HOBBY?)

 

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is the group that determines HOW MUCH a BILL will COST, basically, you and I, the AMERICAN TAX PAYERS. They are leaving out the actual COST of the    IMPLEMENTATION and OPERATION COST of MEDICARE, MEDICAID AND IRS…on what will be 1/6 of our entire BUDGET… A HEALTH CARE BILL that excludes the cost to implement and operate Medicare, Medicaid and IRS?  

 Here is the PROOF, from the ACTUAL CBO’s REPORT, the one that was given to our SENATOR’S to make a decision from, and then cast their VOTE. Those who may have heard on the news, The VOTE was delayed, waiting on this CBO REPORT. You decide, after reading what THE REPORT EXCLUDED, HOW could they VOTE YES, on anything that EXCLUDES the actual COST to OPERATE the VERY THINGS, the bill was about.  CBO SAY’S, IF these expenses WERE INCLUDED, ON PAGE 9, IT COULD COST BILLIONS, BILLIONS NOW, MORE…

If you want, pull up the actual report yourself, to check that I am accurate; it will be under Health care budget CBO projection October 7 2009 pdf. Make sure it is the one ON a pdf file. I will TRY and copy as much as I can here, BUT few of these posts will allow that many words. I have the important areas of concern. I will put a * by the exact copy of CBO report, IF the * will transfer over. I have had trouble of late, getting ANY of these type things posted. I keep getting shut down, or what is suppose to be my post, shows up as something else. Here goes.

Look here, at EXACT lines taken from CBO's projection, dated on October 7, 2007.

PG 3 BEGINNING OF CHART. Notice small ( a ) * NET CHANGES IN THE DEFICIT FROM INSURANCE COVERAGE PROVISIONS a

PG 3 End of Chart. Notice small (a) * NET CHANGES IN THE DEFICIT a

Look on page 3, sub not ( a ) explanation of SUB note (a) below is EXACT COPY OF WHAT IT SAYS 

*a. Does not include effects on spending subject to future appropriations.

PAGE 9, MIDDLE OF PAGE,  shows EXAMPLE to what is ( FUTURE APPROPRIATIONS ) and what Federal spending,  i.e., our taxes, are( NOT INCLUDED “LOOK “ where it STARTS OFF BY SAYING, Federal spending that would be funded by future appropriations is not reflected in these estimates.

 

* Federal spending that would be funded by future appropriations is   

not reflected in these estimates. For example, implementation costs

for operations of the Internal Revenue Service and the Centers for

Medicare and Medicaid Services are not included. Those

discretionary costs could total several billion dollars over the 10-year

period, but CBO has not yet completed an estimate of the

appropriations that would be necessary. (In contrast, administrative

costs for establishing and operating the exchanges, largely funded

through a premium surcharge, are included in Table 1.)

WHAT ARE future appropriations money spent on?

 

Some may not realize what all the IRS will have to do with this.

Well, someone will have to track, keep up with, every single PERSON, in the country, who HAS insurance, who does NOT, who the GOVERNMENT has to HELP with premiums, who they have to HELP A LOT, or just HELP SOME, and all this will be based on a person’s JOB.

 

How many HOURS did you work, did you get a BONUS, any OVER TIME, any COMMISSIONS, TIPS, were you laid off some during the year, did you get PAY RAISE.

What if you get disabled? You need help NOW… Not only will you NOT have insurance, NO job, be DISABLED, really NEED insurance, but NOW you will end up paying a TAX or fee for letting insurance lapse

 

THE IRS will be in charge, of KEEPING TRACK of all this. IT WILL COST MONEY TO KEEP TRACK OF THIS. We know how good they keep track of people who DON’T PAY TAXES. LOLThey are THREE YEARS BEHIND in going after people behind in taxes, and have NO way of tracking people who WORK FOR CASH…

 

 IRS will be going by TAX returns, to see if you CHECKED a BOX and said YES you have insurance, and they SAY they will check and make sure the policy was active. (I heard this same song and dance with CAR insurance too! They were supposed to check and see if your policy was actually active ALL year. NOT just for the MONTH you got your license. That worked so well in my state, Where WV, SENATOR and FORMER WV Governor, JAY ROCKEFELLER is from, and is an AVID supporter of this bill, that in WV, we have to carry uninsured motorist coverage, because SO many people go without insurance... YES, that’s right; we have to carry insurance, against people who do not have it. WE PAY for it. You know WHY… I ask. It was because they do not have enough MONEY to ADMINISTRATE IT!! They cannot keep up with everyone, so they make us carry insurance for it.

 

 

HERE ARE SOME EXPENSES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO COVER, THAT FEW KNOW OF YET.  (Speaking about working for cash)

OBAMA DOES, BUT FEW AMERICANS KNOW OF THIS YET.

It has now come out, that BY LAW, OUR CONSITUTION; we have to cover every person who lives in our country, not every citizen. SO, all the illegal’s who are here, and work for cash, or gang bangers, drug dealers, or even the % that are good people, and there are some, they just need to come in FRONT door, and do it LEGAL. Our own courts say we have to cover them. When the SUPREME COURT ruled years back, on if we had to pay and educate the ILEGAL IMIGRANTS, THEY RULED THE CONSTITUTION SAYS FOR THE PEOPLE, NOT FOR THE CITIZENS.

OBAMA KNEW THIS LAW, since he is a Harvard law graduate, and worked with ACORN, he knew the law on immigration very well. Though he has PUSHED all along for us to cover them, WANTED in the BILL all along, as soon as he REALIZED, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT WANT TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO WAS NOT PAYING INTO THE TAX SYSTEM, HE CHANGED HIS MIND, AND TOLD EVERYONE ON NATIONAL TV, THIS BILL WILL NOT COVER ILEGAL IMAGRANTS…! Joe Wilson knew what we did not. He knew the constitution, and he knew OBAMA knew this. So no matter WHAT is written in this bill, IN TIME, THE COURTS WILL FORCE US TO COVER THEM, AND THE PROJECTIONS TO DO SO ARE “NOT” IN THIS…

How much will it cost, to keep track of all those people alone? MUCH LESS over 300 million more of us… they cannot keep track of WHO has CAR insurance, HOW will they keep track of this. They cannot even keep up with WHO all those people are, or they would be sent back home

 BUT, if they get sick, they sure can go to our hospitals…

They get shot, or have babies, they get care now.  

 

WAKE UP; pass this on, OR UNCLE SAM BE KNOCKING ON your DOOR.

 

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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is the group that determines HOW MUCH a BILL will COST, basically, you and I, the AMERICAN TAX PAYERS. They are leaving out the actual COST of the IMPLEMENTATION and OPERATION COST of MEDICARE, MEDICAID AND IRS…on what will be 1/6 of our entire BUDGET… A HEALTH CARE BILL that excludes the cost to implement and operate Medicare, Medicaid and IRS?

Here is the PROOF, from the ACTUAL CBO’s REPORT, the one that was given to our SENATOR’S to make a decision from, and then cast their VOTE. Those who may have heard on the news, The VOTE was delayed, waiting on this CBO REPORT. You decide, after reading what THE REPORT EXCLUDED, HOW could they VOTE YES, on anything that EXCLUDES the actual COST to OPERATE the VERY THINGS, the bill was about. CBO SAY’S, IF these expenses WERE INCLUDED, ON PAGE 9, IT COULD COST BILLIONS, BILLIONS NOW, MORE…

If you want, pull up the actual report yourself, to check that I am accurate; it will be under Health care budget CBO projection October 7 2009 pdf. Make sure it is the one ON a pdf file. I will TRY and copy as much as I can here, BUT few of these posts will allow that many words. I have the important areas of concern. I will
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COPY OF CBO HEALTH BILL PROJECTION SHOWS EXPENSES NOT COVERED
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CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE Douglas W. Elmendorf, Director

U.S. Congress Washington, DC 20515October 7, 2009

Honorable Max Baucus Chairman Committee on Finance United States Senate Washington, DC 20510

Dear Mr. Chairman

and additional clarifications provided by the staff of the committee through October 6. Positive numbers indicate increases in the deficit, and negative numbers indicat e reductions in the deficit. Components may not sum to totals because of rounding; * = between $0.5 billion and -$0.5 billion.
READ ALL OF THIS BELOW. I COULD NOT COPY WHOLE BILL, BUT COULD COPY OVER WHAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN IT, AND YOU CAN LOOK UP BILL AND SEE I HAVE NOT CHANGED IT,. BELOW IS LINK TO BILL. CALL AND HAVE CONGRESS VOTE NO.

Future appropriations, for such things as implementation of IRS, and operation cost of IRS, Medicare and Medicaid. This is just a HEALTH CARE plan, WHY would we need to know what those projected costs would be? They clearly are leaving out the most expensive part of the bill, the part that administrates all this. WHY? What would this REALLY cost if they would include the cost, that administrates WHO has insurance, EVERYONE in the country, I mean everyone now. Since it has come out, the LAW will require, even if bill does not, and Obama knew this since he was a Harvard law grad, that the courts ruled we had to educate EVERYONE in this country even if they were not LEGAL citizens. SAME will apply with health care. THAT is why Joe Wilson said Obama was lying. Joe knew what our constitution said, and knew Obama knew this law, and Obama has always been for covering EVERYONE anyway, and Obama was grandstanding before everyone, telling America what MOST wanted to hear, that he would NOT pass a bill that included coverage for them, knowing in his mind, they would get coverage anyway, when it went to court. So, now, this projection does NOT have those people included, and the COST to keep track of them, and a way to know if they need our help with premiums or not. Since most get paid cash, then we will be paying their health care. NONE of this cost is in this projection. None of the cost, to to (operate) and and keep up with, normal folks, who needs help with premiums, who has coverage, who needs a little bit of help, or a lot of help, and all this is based on your JOB.How many hours did you work, over time, pay raise, commissions, a bonus, tips, did you get laid off, HOW will they track this? If you go ONE day with coverage, do you get hit with FEE? What happens if your job changes first of year, and they go by tax return, and you do not get help with premiums until the NEXT year? You cant afford health ins then, until the NEXT year, so you pay FEE. What happens if you get sick during the year you do not have ins? what happens? They should have a way to track this on day to day basis. They are NOT even including the COST to track all of this. Can you think how much this will costs to track? What happens if you get disabled? Will they help with premiums right away? I doubt it. You need health ins badly then, but no way to afford it, but HAVE to have it. WHY wont they include the cost to implement and operate all this? What are they hiding? People have ask me for proof.What more PROOF do you need? It is right here, in black and white.Do not tell me bill is not done, and CBO is not done. ON EVERY bill voted on, the one in AUGUST, that they were REALLY trying to push through. IF, you go back and READ the CBO report, it CLEARLY says, administration costs are NOT included in this projection. If not for people like myself, everyday people, standing up and saying, wait a minute, this does not sound right, we would be stuck with that plan now. THINK< use your head, YOU know they tried to get that plan in. DO NOT TRUST, that they say, this is not final bill, and they will come clean, and actually include all these costs in projections next time. They are hiding the costs on purpose.Obama signed a bill with drug companies extending their patent, so they now have a LONGER time to make money, BEFRORE it can go generic, and that COSTS us, a lot more money. He took away Medicare option to BUY cheap drugs from Canada, so only can buy high price US drugs. Obama signed that this year. BUT wait, he claims to be trying to LOWER our health costs. WHY would he do that? Did you know the Rockefeller family started and still owns a large % of the pharmaceutical industry. HMM, I wonder if that is why Jay Rockefeller wont vote on a bill that does not include anything that does NOT have govt ran plan? So he can make sure we can only buy expensive US drugs? Something is going on, for them to hide all these expenses, and try to make it sound like this is good idea for us. Remember old saying,. if it sounds to good to be true, it always is. NO WAY, we can cover everyone in US, and have LOWER taxes, AND better or SAME care. right below is where it shows does not include future appropriations read what is above to explain this bill. They leave out very imporant costs to run this bill.
a.
Does not include effects on spending subject to future appropriations.
b.
These estimates reflect the effects of interactions between insurance coverage provisions and other Medicare and Medicaid provisions.
c.
The changes in revenues include effects on Social Security revenues that are classified as off-budget.
d.
The 10-year figure of $196 billion includes $180 billion in additional revenues (estimated by JCT) apart from receipts from the excise tax on high-premium insurance plans and $16 billion in additional revenues from certain Medicare and Medicaid provisions (estimated by JCT and CBO).
e.
Off-budget effects include changes in Social Security spending and revenues.

Policies purchased through the exchanges (or directly from insurers) would have to meet several requirements: In particular, insurers would have to accept all applicants, could not limit coverage for preexisting medical conditions, and could not vary premiums to reflect differences in enrollees’ health. The proposal also would provide start-up funds to encourage the creation of cooperative insurance plans (co-ops) that could be offered through the exchanges; existing insurers could not be approved as co-ops.

Starting in 2014, nonelderly people with income below 133 percent of the FPL would generally be made eligible for Medicaid; the federal government would pay a share of the costs of covering newly eligible enrollees that varies somewhat from year to year but ultimately would average about 90 percent. (Under current rules, the federal government usually pays about 57 percent, on average, of the costs of Medicaid benefits.) In addition, states would be required to maintain current coverage levels for children under Medicaid and CHIP through 2019. Beginning in 2014, states would receive higher federal reimbursement for CHIP beneficiaries, increasing from an average of 70 percent to 93 percent. CBO estimates that state spending on Medicaid would increase by about $33 billion over the 2010–2019 period as a result of the specifications affecting coverage. That estimate reflects states’ flexibility to make programmatic and other budgetary changes to Medicaid and CHIP.

affecting health insurance coverage would result in a net increase in federal deficits of $518 billion over fiscal years 2010 through 2019. That estimate primarily reflects $345 billion in additional federal outlays for Medicaid and CHIP and $461 billion in federal subsidies that would be provided to purchase coverage through the new insurance exchanges and related spending.2 The other main element of the coverage provisions that would increase federal deficits is the tax credit for small employers who offer health insurance, which is estimated to reduce revenues by $23 billion over 10 years. Those costs would be partly offset by receipts or savings, totaling $311 billion over the 10-year budget window, from four sources: net revenues from the excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, totaling $201 billion; penalty payments by uninsured individuals, which would amount to $4 billion; penalty payments by employers whose workers received subsidies via the exchanges, which would total $23 billion; and other budgetary effects, mostly on tax revenues, associated with the expansion of federally subsidized insurance, which would reduce deficits by $83 billion.3

read all that is below right here.

As stated earlier, it has come out, the LAW would now require us, to cover unauthorized immigrants. The supreme court ruled that we have to educate these people, and they have the right to all our services. Just like with education They have RIGHT to our health care! Obama has known that even if this bill excludes these people, the courts would over rule this, and by our own constitution, we would HAVE to cover them. The Democrats and Obama has been pushing for them to be covered, and ONLY backed off after the town hall meetings proved most Americans did not wish to pay for covering people who is not paying into our tax system. Since this plan will be tracked through the IRS, how will they know if these people have insurance or not? How to penalize them or not, so, they will not will just end up getting FREE insurance. On our back. NONE of those expenses are in this projection. It never will be, since most of country has not followed this new finding, and do not KNOW the courts will MAKE us cover these people. Obama will say, hey, I did not cover them, I kept my word, and all along, being a lawyer, he has known about this law, and has known these people would be covered, and is just not telling us the WHOLE truth. Read my poem I wrote.http://community.livejournal.com/concerned_dad/friends

By 2019, CBO and JCT estimate, the number of nonelderly people who are uninsured would be reduced by about 29 million, leaving about 25 million nonelderly residents uninsured (about one-third of whom would be unauthorized immigrants). Under the proposal, the share of legal nonelderly residents with insurance coverage would rise from about 83 percent currently to about 94 percent. Roughly 23 million people would purchase their own coverage through the new insurance exchanges, and there would

small amount they now have showing covering admin costs
Right here, they show a small amount on covering administration costs for high risk pools, and co op. But 5 billion for HIGH risk, come on, and 3 billion on co ops? very very little to administrate all this. They just wanted to show they included SOME administration


costs.
2 The subsidies reflect the administrative costs of establishing and operating the exchanges. Related spending accounts for $5 billion for high-risk pools, about $3 billion for insurance co-ops, and the net budgetary effects of proposed reinsurance fees and payments.

3 Changes in the extent of employment-based health insurance affect federal revenues because most payments for that coverage are tax-preferred. If employers increase or decrease the amount of compensation they provide in the form of health insurance (relative to current-law projections), CBO and JCT assume that offsetting changes will occur in wages and other forms of compensation—which are generally taxable—to hold total compensation roughly the same. Such effects also arise with respect to specific elements of the proposal (such as the tax credits for small employers), and those effects are included within the estimate for those elements.

be roughly 14 million more enrollees in Medicaid and CHIP than is projected under current law.4 Relative to currently projected levels, the number of people either purchasing individual coverage outside the exchanges or obtaining coverage through employers would decline by several million.

very little effect
VERY LITTTLE EFFECT... they added in the "wording" administration costs, on something by their own admission, has VERY little effect. They HAD to put in they were covering SOME administration costs, since I have been writing everywhere, that in ALL previous projections, they were EXCLUDING, administration costs. This way, they could point to this area, and say, see hear, yes we are, were covering this... I just want to let YOU know, its a very LITTLE part of this bill. The LARGEST expense, is still not in here!

The proposed co-ops had very little effect on the estimates of total enrollment in the exchanges or federal costs because, as they are described in the specifications, they seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country or to noticeably affect federal subsidy payments. As a result, CBO estimates that of the $6 billion in federal funds that would be made available, about $3 billion would be spent over the 2010–2019 period.

Specifications Affecting Medicare and Medicaid

Other components of the proposal would alter spending under Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, and other federal health programs. The proposal would make numerous changes to payment rates and payment rules in those programs (the budgetary effects of which are shown in Table 1 and detailed in the enclosed table). In total, CBO estimates that enacting those provisions would reduce direct spending by $404 billion over the 2010– 2019 period.5 The provisions that would result in the largest budget savings include these:

 Permanent reductions in the annual updates to Medicare’s payment rates for most services in the fee-for-service sector (other than physicians’ services), yielding budgetary savings of $162 billion over 10 years. (That calculation excludes interactions between those provisions and others—namely, the effects of those changes on payments to Medicare Advantage plans and collections of Part B premiums.)

4

Under the proposal, certain employers could allow all of their workers to choose among the plans available in the exchanges, but those enrollees would not be eligible to receive subsidies via the exchanges (and thus are shown in the enclosed table as enrollees in employment-based coverage rather than as exchange enrollees). CBO and JCT estimate that approximately 4 million people would obtain coverage in that way in 2019, bringing the total number of people enrolled in exchange plans to about 27 million in that year.

5 In addition, the Medicare and Medicaid provisions would increase federal revenues by approximately $16 billion over the 2010–2019 period.

Setting payment rates in the Medicare Advantage program on the basis of the average of the bids submitted by Medicare Advantage plans in each market, yielding savings of an estimated $117 billion (before interactions) over the 2010–2019 period..
6 The proposal would authorize the Medicare Commission to recommend changes that would affect hospitals and hospices beginning in 2020.
The commission would develop its first set of recommendations during 2013 for implementation in 2015. CBO estimates that—given all of the reductions that would result from other provisions—this arrangement would reduce Medicare spending by an additional $22 billion over the 2015–2019 period.

This Preliminary Analysis

There are a number of key reasons why the preliminary analysis that is provided in this letter and the enclosures does not constitute a final cost estimate for the proposal:

The Chairman’s mark, as amended, has not yet been converted into legislative language. The review of such language could lead to
significant changes in the estimates of the proposal’s effects on the federal budget and insurance coverage.
The budgetary information shown in the above and enclosed tables reflects many of the major cash flows that would affect the federal budget as a result of implementing the specified policies and provides a preliminary assessment of the net effects on the federal budget deficit. However, some cash flows (such as risk adjustment payments) would appear in the budget but would net to zero and thus would not affect the deficit; CBO and JCT have not yet estimated all of those cash flows. Furthermore, CBO and JCT have not yet divided all of the estimated cash flows into spending and revenue components.
below explains costs
Those discretionary costs could total several billion dollars over the 10-year period,READ THAT CLOSESEVERAL BILLION>>>You can't say you were not told! It is right here in black and white, and I am telling you what those discretionary costs are...Just LITTLE things, like IRS, Medicaid, Medicare's, operating costs, nothing BIG...WAKE UP.TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW.Do not let them get away with this. Send this forward. Post it any place you visit. Get the TRUTH out.. Thanks
RIGHT HERE, MOST IMPORTANT AREA, READ RIGHT ABOVE WHAT I WROTE, BUT READ BELOW FROM CBO REPORT... "LOOK" AT WHAT IS NOT COVERED.... IRS,MEDICARE, MEDICAID... IS THIS IS HEALTH CARE BILL? HOW YOU CAN YOU RUN HEALTH CARE, WITHOUT OPERATIONS? WHO PAYS TO RUNS IT? THAT IS SOME SERIOUS EXPENSE LEFT OFF. IF I WAS TO PROJECT WHAT A CHERRY PIE WERE TO COST, AND FIGURED UP FLOUR, SUGAR, ETC.. BUT LEFT OUT THE CHERRIES, WOULD THAT BE A ACCURATE PROJECTION OF THE COST TO MAKE IT? YOU GO TO STORE WITH $10, AND AND IT COST $20, BECAUSE I DID NOT INCLUDE THE CHERRIES... THEY ARE LEAVING OUT ONE OF BIGGEST EXPENSES... WHY?:
 
TELL THEM VOTE NO...


Federal spending that would be funded by future appropriations is not reflected in these estimates. For example, implementation costs for operations of the Internal Revenue Service and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are not included. Those discretionary costs could total several billion dollars over the 10-year period, but CBO has not yet completed an estimate of the appropriations that would be necessary. (In contrast, administrative costs for establishing and operating the exchanges, largely funded through a premium surcharge, are included in Table 1.)

Sincerely,


http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10642/10-7-Baucus_letter.pdf

MY MISSION STATEMENT
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         PASSION FOR THE TRUTH

 

I HAVE A MISSION, TO HELP FIND THE TRUTH,

TO EDUCATE AS MANY, AS I POSSIBLY COULD,
TO OPEN UP THE EYES, OF EVERYDAY PEOPLE,
WHO LIKE MYSELF, ARE TIRED OF THE EVIL                 

JUST WORKING CLASS FOLKS, DOING OUR JOBS

 

WE MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS, AND ENJOY OUR FAMILES

WE LOVE OUR GOD, OUR COUNTRY, OUR FRIENDS

WE LOVE THEM SO MUCH, WE WILL STAND TO THE END      

TO GET THIS GREAT COUNTRY BACK, BACK WHERE IT BEGAN

IT WILL TAKE EVERYDAY PEOPLE, TO STAND UP, TO WHAT END

 

WE’RE JUST NORMAL FOLKS, SIMPLE AND FREE

SOME OF US EMPLOYER’S, SOME EMPLOYEE’S

WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING, CLOSER YOU SEE

YOU STOLE SOMETHING OF IMPORTANCE, YOU STOLE OUR COUNTRY

 


WE PAID LITTLE ATTENTION, TO THINGS GOING ON,
JUST LIVING LIFE NORMAL, DAY TO DAY
WE PRAY TO GOD, WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN,
WE DO WHAT IS RIGHT, WE FOLLOW PRINCIPLES

THROUGH ALL THAT THOUGH, WE LOST OUR GENERALS

 

I WOKE UP ONE DAY, AND SAW WHAT HAD HAPPENED
IT SHOOK ME SO BAD, I STARTED THIS MISSION
WHERE DID WE GO WRONG, GOING THROUGH OUR LIFE
JUST LIVING LIFE NORMAL, EASY AND NICE 


WE LET OUR COUNTRY SLIP AWAY SOMEHOW,
TOO MUCH CORRUPTION, TOO MUCH POWER
BRIBERY, SCANDALS, LYING AND CHEATS,
WE VOTED YOU IN, WE WERE ALMOST BEAT


MIS-TRUTHS, AND DEAL MAKING, HANDSHAKES, WINKS -WINKS 
TOO MANY LIES, IT MAKES ONE THINK.
WHEN YOUR LIPS ARE MOVING, DO YOU NOT REALIZE, 
WE NO LONGER BELIEVE, NOT ONE MORE LIE.


TOO MUCH UNDER THE TABLE, TOO MANY OVERSIGHTS,
TOO MANY BACK DOORS, FOR ME TO SLEEP AT NIGHT,
NOW THAT I ‘M AWAKE, IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO PAY,
STEP UP TO VOTE,  AND VOTE FOR US, OR GET VOTED AWAY

 

WE’LL BE WATCHING YOU, EACH AND EVERY DAY,

MAKING SURE OUR VOICE IS HEARD, AND YOUR VOTE IS CAST OUR WAY

YOU LOOK OUT FOR US, WE THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW

WE WHO HAVE A PASSION, A PASSION, TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY GROW

         

 

 

"I HAVE PASSION FOR THE TRUTH, AND GET OUR COUNTRY BACK TO ITS ROOTS”


QUOTE AND POEM BY SCOTT ERWIN, WV



PROOF, CBO is leaving out MEDICARE ,Medicaid, and IRS, services/operation COSTS, on Projections
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On the most important bill to be voted on in OUR time, the CBO has left out the very thing that is needed to run this thing. The actual service, operations and implementations, of Medicaid, Medicare, and IRS are left out. Is this not a HEALTH CARE BILL? If I ask you to figure out how much a cherry pie would cost, and left out the cost of cherries, would that be an accurate projection? This is what the Democrats is wanting the American public to think, on what would be 1/6 of our ENTIRE budget... Think on this a minute. Let it sink in. Notice the time I post this.

If you want to skip my ramblings, go down to bottom,and I have charted the comparison between CBO and what they cover and what they even admittingly say in plain English, they do not cover, It is what I have said all long, so go on down, or read some of the examples here of what will happen and wha you can do to help. Read my mission on this same link web site > Great poem about, what we need to do, and how we can make a difference.



Something stinks in our country, and unless we stand up, and put parties aside, and join together as normal people, and get on the same page, we will lose our country to money hungry, power grabbing, politicians. Let's at least agree on this one point. It sounds really good. What I would pay for my staff for health insurance would drop right now, but I have been in business long enough, to know how to budget. How to look ahead, and what administration/services, operation or implementation costs, all ends up costing... That is the largest part of my costs in running a business. Take the time, to study the below, and notice, I copied the actual PDF file from the CBO report that was given the government, that they had, to vote on. ANYONE, who voted on this, is an idiot. To vote on something, that excludes the actual costs to service important things like Medicare, medicate, and all the things the IRS will be doing with this bill, is just plain dumb. It would be putting a HUGE tax liability on the American people, way down the road, when Obama is no longer in office to worry about it. The CBO has written in this plan, very clear, hey, we said we are not projecting this costs, so if you pass it, it’s on your shoulders, but I sure did not see it written in big bold letters. If I had been them, I would have had that at top, in red, and had congress sign off on it, so later, would not get blamed. But since CBO was appointed by Obama, I am sure they were TOLD what to include in projection and what not too. Please, think about this come time to vote. Call, email, anything you can, to get in touch with your senator, and tell them NO. I have tried reaching my senator, Jay Rockefeller, and cannot get answer back. I have emailed, and his site says he or someone will answer any WV person back. It has not happened. Maybe that is why the wording changed in this projection, was my email to Jay, asking him why CBO was leaving out administration costs... LOL Then, I could no longer pull up the CBO reports from my computer. I have to go to someone else's computer to pull the file up. I am serious; I cannot pull this file up, any of them now. I am blocked from seeing them. I guess they did not like me saying these things. The more you spread the word, the more people will know, so they will have hard time passing this, knowing the public knows they are excluding this. It will bankrupt us, or tax us to death. Since Rockefeller family started pharmaceuticals, I am sure he wants this to pass, to help family business. In Medicare, government ran of course, they will not pay for cheaper Canada drugs. Obama signed that this year. Also, there is no longer competition among drug companies within Medicare. Obama signed it this year. Oh, and the drug companies got a longer patent time, so they now can’t make generic drugs as soon, so we PAY more for drug, longer, and who makes more money? That was signed this year too. mmmm. I thought we were trying to CUT health insurance costs>>

Sounds like if this bill would pass, someone would make a lot more money somehow, but not so sure about the rest of us... government would get to say where and who we get drugs from, what kind of treatments we get, and what is paid for and what is not... I bet anything that does not involve cutting, sawing, or drugs, won’t be part of treatment... I GURANTEE this... We had better pray those guys who really have no other "true" agenda here, get some guts, and vote no on this. Jay, will do everything he can to get this past. I honestly, never dreamed, our government would stoop this low, and try to push a bill through that is as bad for our country as this, that it literally, keeps me up at night.

I am sorry I write so much, but am so concerned, I guess I am just trying to convince anyone who may not SEE this, that WHY... Just write me back, with FACT, why? Not some dumb remark, or that I am right wing, because I am not, I vote both ways. Just give me facts, why in the world would this plan work? I have pointed out every reason I have. Actually I have plenty more, but this would be 10 pages. I thought this was enough. If not, let me now, and I will explain the other reasons why this plan will not work. Even if these costs were in there. It just would not. Not that we have to cover every person now... EVERY PERSON< read below...

 

OK, HERE IS THE PART OF THE CBO BREAKDOWN.... DATED ON OCT 7 2009.

a. Does not include effects on spending subject to future appropriations.*        you will read below, why this is in there, they are not including Medicare or, Medicaid or IRS OPERATING* COSTS OR IMPLEMENATION* COSTS! CAN YOU BELIVE THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THOSE COSTS, AND THIS IS A “HEALTH CARE BILL"? SORRY FOR SMALL PRINT BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT WAS FROM SITE.

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Related spending accounts for $5 billion for high-risk pools, about $3 billion for insurance co-ops,

And the net budgetary effects of proposed reinsurance fees and payments.

The subsidies reflect the administrative costs of establishing and operating *the exchanges.

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most payments for that coverage are tax-preferred. If employers increase or decrease the amount

of compensation they provide in the form of health insurance (relative to current-law projections),   SORRY FOR SIZE, ON ALL OF THESE  BUT POSTED IT FROM WEB SITE, JUST CLICK ON BELOW LINK, AND YOU WILL SEE THE ACTUAL PDF FILE, AND BE ABLE TO READ IT BETTER, IT IS SMALL, BECUASE, OF COURSE, ITS IN THE " FINE PRINT... LOL

CBO and JCT assume that offsetting changes will occur in wages and other forms of

compensation—which are generally taxable—to hold total compensation roughly the same. Such

effects also arise with respect to specific elements of the proposal (such as the tax credits for small

employers), and those effects are included within the estimate for those elements

 

NOTICE HOW IN SEC a, effects on spending of future appropriations*? It basically gave the CBO an out. An excuse. when this thing blows up in their face down the road, they can point the that and say, hey, we told you....when the government starts adding the expenses it ACTULLY takes to run this thing, such as administrating* who gets help, who does not, who gets a little bit of help who gets a lot of help, and that will change based on your job, hours worked, bonus's, commissions, pay raise, laid off, etc... WHAT IF, disabled? HOW QUICK WILL YOU GET HELP WITH PREMIUM? HERE YOU ARE, NOT WORKING, CAN'T AFFORD HEALTH INSURNACE NOW, YOU GET TAXED OR PENALIZED IF YOU DROP YOUR INSURNACE, EVEN FOR A DAY, AND YOUR DISABLED AND NEED TO KEEP GOING TO DOCTOR... IF GOVERNMENT WORKS LIKE NORMAL, YOU ARE SCREWED. NONE OF THESE EXPENSES ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECTION... THE COST TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THIS STUFF. I WILL USE THE WORD STUFF*, SINCE BEFORE, WHEN I WROTE EVERYONE AND USED THE WORD ADMINISTARTION* COSTS, THE CBO SLIPPED IN THE LITTLE BIT BELOW. LOL

 

Changes in the extent of employment-based health insurance affect federal revenues because 

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Related spending accounts for $5 billion for high-risk pools, about $3 billion for insurance co-ops,

and the net budgetary effects of proposed reinsurance fees and payments.

The subsidies reflect the administrative* costs of establishing and operating* the exchanges.

 

Federal spending that would be funded by future appropriations* is

not reflected in these estimates. For example, (implementation costs)*

for (operations )  * of the Internal Revenue Service and the Centers for  NOTICE THE WORDING AND REALLY READ THIS... THE ONLY WAY I CHANGED IT, WAS I PUT THE ( ) AROUND KEY WORDS, AND PUT * AROUND WORDS. IN ALL THE OTHER PROJECTIONS, THEY WOULD JUST SAY ADMINISTRATION* COSTS WERE EXCLUDED. THAT TOOK A LOT INTO ACCOUNT. I HAVE WRITTEN SEVERAL BLOGS THIS LATE SUMMER, AND FALL, TRYING TO GET WORD OUT, THEY WERE DOING THIS, NOW, THEY INCLUDED " SOME ADMIN COSTS,** AND MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT, I GUESS TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL. BUT, IT DOES NOT TAKE A VERY SMART PERSON TO SEE, (OPERATIONS), AND (IMPLEMENTATION* COSTS), ARE REALLY JUST (ADMINISTRATION* COSTS), WORDED DIFFERENT. LOL
NOW REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE "NOT" INCLUDING" IN THIS PROJECTION... NONE OF THE COSTS TO SET UP THE IRS PART, TO TRACK, EVERY SINGLE PERSON, NOW EVEN IN THE ILLEAGL PEOPLE THE COURTS, NOT OBAMA, THE COURTS, SAY WE HAVE TO COVER IF THIS BILL PASSES, IT WILL WORK THE SAME WAY WE HAVE TO EDUCTAE ANYONE WHO COMES OVER HERE. WE HAVE TO BE LAW, EDUCATE THOSE CHILDREN, AND WE WILL " HAVE TOO" INSURE THEM, EVERY PERSON, IF BILL PASSES, SO THE COST TO SET SOME KIND OF TRACKING SYSYTM UP, TO KEEP UP WITH, IF THEY HAVE INSURNACE OR NOT, SO WE CAN GIVE THEM MONEY TO PAY FOR INSURNACE, SINCE MOST DO NOT PAY INTO OUR SYSTEM, THEY WLL GET BY FREE, JUST LIKE THE CHILDREN DO NOW, I AM NO RIGHT WING NUT,. I HATE IT FOR THE KIDS. BUT I ALSO HATE MY TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO DO “NOT" HELP PAY INTO ANYTHING THAT HELP PAY FOR IT. ALL THESE GANG BANGERS HAVE KIDS. NOW WE HAVE TO INSURE THE GANG BANGERS. SO WE CAN FIX THE FIGHTS THEY GET INTO.
ALL THE COSTS INVOLVED WITH THIS, IS NOT PART OF THIS. EVEN FOR NORMAL PEOPLE, WHO THEY HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH.

NONE OF THE COST TO (OPERATE) *MEDICARE OR MEDICAID IS IN THIS PROJECTION EITHER. WHY DO YOU THINK WE OVER PAY BILLS NOW WITH THOSE PRGRAMS, THEY WONDER WHY THERE IS FRAUD WITH MEDICARE AND MEDICAID? FIRST, THE BILLS ARE PAID VERY SLOWLY, BUT EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN GETS PAID. YOU HAVE READ ALL THE STORIES. A MAN GETS 40 SOME WHEEL CHAIRS, AND WAS SELLING THEM. MEDICARE JUST KEPT PAYING WHAT HE SENT IN. THEY PAY $1000 FOR AMBULANCE BILL, WHEN NORMAL CHARGE IN $200. THEY GET A BILL FOR ANKLE X RAY, AND THE PERSON BROKE THEIR ARM. THEY PAID BOTH X RAY BILLS.

THE REASON THAT HAPPENS, IS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, TO ACTUALLY LOOK, REALLY LOOK AT THE CLAIMS WHEN THEY COME IN. THEY DID NOT, " BUDGET" ENOUGH MONEY TO " OPERATE"* THAT PART OF MEDICARE, SO THEY HARDLY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO JUST STAMP THE CHECKS WHEN THE CLAIMS COME IN, AND THAT IS WHY DOCTORS GET PAID SO LATE. GO ASK A DOCTOR. PICK ONE, ANYONE. I DO NOT CARE. DO YOUR OWN WORK, ASK THEM. THEY WILL TELL YOU, YES, WE GET PAID GREAT, BUT IT IS ALWAYS VERY LATE. SOME SMALL DOCTORS HAVE ALMOST, AND EVEN SOME, WENT BANKRUPT, OVER WAITING ON GETTING PAID. I KNOW SOME. WANT THEIR NAMES?

NOW, THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN. THEY ARE NOT BUDGETING IN THE COST TO “OPERATE" *THE MOST IMPORATE PART OF THIS WHOLE BILL. THAT IS WHY, IN VERY FISRT FOOT NOTE, IT SAYS, a. Does not include effects on spending subject to future appropriations*. I WONDER WHY? WHAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE APPROPRIATIONS*? I WONDER? LOL

Medicare and Medicaid Services* are not included. Those

Discretionary costs could total (several billion dollars) over the 10-year READ THIS, SEVERAL BILLION MORE, READ THAT LEFT WINGERS... SEVERAL BILLION MORE. I HOPE, REALLY HOPE, YOU PUT PARTIES ASIDE, AND COME TOGTHER AS AMERICANS, AND REALIZE, WE ARE NOT BEING LOOKED AFTER, BY EITHER PARTY, OR TIME FOR US TO DO SOMETHNG. THEY HAVE TOO MUCH POWER, DO NOT LISTEN TO US, AND IF YOU WOULD ONLY READ HOW THE PARTIES REALLY VOTED ON CERTAIN BIILS YOU WOULD SEE THE TRUE PICTURE. LET’S JUST FOCUS ON THIS FOR NOW, AND REALIZE THIS IS NOT ANSWER, AND JUST NO WAY HEALTH CARE CAN BE RAN BY GOVERNMENT. IT SOUNDS NICE, BUT IN REALITY, IT JUST CAN NOT BE AFFORDED. BY THE TIME WE INCLUDE 'EVERY PERSON' IT WOULD JUST BANKRUPT US. EVERY PERSON HAS TO CONTRIBUTE FOR IT TO WORK, AND THAT WON’T EVER HAPPEN.

period, but CBO has not yet completed an estimate of the***

appropriations that would be necessary. (In contrast, administrative**

costs for establishing and operating* the exchanges, largely funded 

through a premium surcharge, are included in Table 1.)

 ***   DO NOT PUT TRUST IN THIS, AND THAT THEY WILL INLUDE THIS NEXT TIME, PLEASE GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERY BILL THEY DID PROJECTIONS ON, EVEN THE ONE THEY "REALLY REALLY" WANTED TO PASS IN AUGUST, AND WOULD HAVE IF SOME OF US HAD NOT SPOKE UP, AND YOU WILL SEE, NONE OF THESE COSTS WERE INCLUDED IN THOSE PROJECTIONS... IT ALMOST PASSED... SO DOES NOT THINK, JUST BECUASE THEY PUT THAT IN THERE, THAT THEY WILL ALL OF A SUDDEN INCLUDE THAT ON NEXT BILL?
 
EVEN IF BY US SCREAMING AT THEM, AND THEY REALIZE THEY ARE CAUGHT, WE CAN NOT NOW TRUST WHAT THEY PUT DOWN. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE TYPE COSTS IN THIS TYPE BILL IS NOT WORTHY TO BE PROJECTING A GROCERY LIST. IT WOUD BE LIKE DETERMINING HOW MUCH A CHERRY PIE COST, AND NOT INCLUDING THE COST OF CHERRIES. MAKE SENSE?
THEY ARE NOT INCLUDING MEDICARE OR MEDICAID SERVICES* FOR GOODNESS SAKE... WHAT KIND OF MICKY MOUSE OUT FIT IS THIS...? A PAID FOR ONE...

Through a premium surcharge, are included in Table 1.)

Here is link to actual PDF file of the actual projection by the CBO, dated 10,7,2009

That way you know you have the right file. Good luck, and print it off, so you can see,

I did not fundge anything it all staright fron the site. Also, you can then do what do and that

Is carry them around and when you hear health care talk come up, show whatr you have. More people

Have said thank you to me of late, and changed their mind, but I am nbit trting to get people to cgange pareties

Only change their thoughts on this ONE thunfeverything else will come IF we had HONEST people in office… thanks giys,

 

Pass this on, nake comment, send it to other magazine… take care

 

“                                            "Passion for the truth, will get our country back to its roots”


 



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You mean you can make these comments SUPPORTING something, that you obviously have not even read the ACTUAL projections on, and only take the WORD of ANY party, ANY news person, be it FOX, or CNN or who ever, on who is right on this. FIND your own truth... That is what I did, and what I am trying to get normal, everyday Americans to do... (I get looked down on for no source, and have read many comments on here, and only see opinions, no sources. I guess since I disagree, I need sources. I have done my best, but this would be many pages lone if listed every source)

 

I "could" pull up CBO reports at ease before, NOW, I cannot. NOT SURE WHY< or I would paste it and send it, but look for PDF file, and it should load for you since you are for this. (YOU SHOULD FIND IT HERE< http://www.ask.com/bar?q=cbo+healthcare+report+pdf&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2009%2F10%2F07%2FAR2009100704078.html     LOOK FOR CBO PDF IN upper left corner, may be on second page under related articles.) I hope it allows you to pull it up. Until yesterday, I could. I started writing and letting people know this, and then no longer could.)They may have taken it OFF the internet by now. NOW, I paste everything to off line I find, so no problem copying and posting it again. But never dreamed I would have problems. SOUNDS NUTS< I KNOW>> IF, I can get the CBO report pulled up, I will be glad to send it showing what it says. IF this site won’t come up, just type in search, cbo health care budget report, pdf. It should come up. It HAS to be the Actual CBO PDF file...Hope this is enough detail, and sorry no paragraphs, but not professional writer, just normal guy.

 

If you think that what they are doing is for OUR best interest in mind, especially since the Govt also got BONUS money when screaming about others getting bonus money, with Post Master General Getting OVER $140,000 in PERFORMANCE bonus, and post office LOST millions last year, YOUR Crazy.. You support this without actually READING what the CBO report says... SAD> 

As far as the how I write, I am NO pro, and have never been involved in politics before, but I am a concerned dad, own a business, and KNOW how to read a financial projection. When you leave out the ADMINISTRATION costs that ACTUALLY "run" the bill, then you leave out a huge chunk of expense. (THE ADMINISTRATION COSTS IS WHAT OBAMA SAYS HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES CHARGE SO MUCH ON, SO YOU WOULD "THINK" HE WOULD WANT TO "SHOW" WHAT HIS CHARGES WERE.)WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

 BY leaving out the ADMINISTRATION costs, THEY are leaving out THE COSTS to keep up with all these people who are suppose to be carrying health insurance. The government cannot keep track of who has CAR insurance, much less health insurance. The COST to keep track of not only who all has it, but who gets help with premium, just a little bit of help, or a lot of help, who changes insurance companies, who paid premiums, who has lapsed, got reinstated , and the idea of who gets WHAT help. ALL will change depending on a person’s job, hours worked, like over time, bonus, commissions, pay raise, etc... What happens if you get disabled? When does help kick in? How long will it actually take before HELP kicks in when things change in people lives? THINGS happen quick... ONE car wreck, you become disabled; it now takes 2 years to get SS disability. IF laid off, or have car wreck and can’t work, HOW LONG before you GET HELP for health insurance premiums, or get hit with tax? If you can’t work, you can’t afford premiums, you are in catch 22. ALL OF THIS< FALLS UNDER ADMINISTRATION COSTS! WAKE UP< they are NOT including these costs in these projections. It would be NIGHTMARE, if they were in charge of actual health care govt ran/public option too.

 

By the way, our courts would DEMAND, that ALL illegals be covered under health care, JUST like we have to educate them, though a large % do not pay into tax system. Our constitution DEMANDS it, and OBAMA, being a HARVARD law graduate, KNOWS that, so he was just saying what the public wanted to hear, by saying it WOULD NOT be in the BILL< but knowing he would get his WAY, when the courts would overrule the BILL> VERY SNEAKY, BUT, again, the COST of insuring and including all those people, is NOT in this projection, and it would RAISE this cost so HIGH, no way we can afford it. There are many good illegal folks here. They need to get legal, and pay into taxes. BUT so many get just cash, and get free benefits. I am all FOR helping those who are trying to help themselves, but do NOT want to help free loaders. Our jails are FULL of illegal’s who commit a large % of our crimes, I did NOT say, the largest %. But think how many taxes we spend on taking care of them, educating, treating gun shots, knife wounds, gang fights, the list goes on. 12 million of them, NOT on this bill, and you , I HOPE, have seen the stats on what it costs us to keep illegal’s in jail, and to take care of the hospital needs, etc... MORE than the war... THOSE stats came from the Democratic nominated CBO committee. NOT ME. It would really help if people would just start reading bills their part actually voted on, what bill was, and some of these type stats. It is on freedom of information act, but now, Democrats want to take some of those freedoms away from us. NOT posting this bill before they voted on it-Me no longer being allowed to pull up any of CBO reports, is another. I will try and use another person’s computer and see if I can pull up CBO reports...

 

I will love that the INSURANCE COMPANIES will have to cover preexisting conditions and think they need some change. But they at least do not pay $1000 for ambulance bill, when it should be $200, or $2000 for wheel chair, when it should be $600. Medicare pays what bill is. They do NOT check and see if the test is sent in, even applies to the problem they went in for... The COST to ADMINISTRATE this, IF a public option or govt plan were to go in, would be so expensive, that no way our country can afford this. WHY do you think Medicare is WAY in debt? CBO did not project admin cost back then either. That is why these type bills are being paid in Medicare; they do NOT have the money to properly look at each bill. They hardly have enough money to even stamp and pay bills as that come in, much less LOOK at them. MAKE SENSE? Health insurance companies are in this for profit. So they BUDGET in admin costs. They know what it takes to look at EACH bill when it comes in, to make sure FRAUD does NOT happen like in Medicare. BUT NO WAY they will ever clean up fraud in Medicare because they do not first, know what they are doing, but second, do not have enough money to hire enough people, to actually LOOK at each bill that comes in. IF you talk to doctors, they will tell you, the payments they get from Medicare is very slow. VERY VERY SLOW... Meaning the govt hardly has enough money, to administrate, just making payments...

 

 

WITH THEM NOT INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION COSTS, IN " ANY" OF THESE PLANS, DO YOU THINK IT SHOWS A "TRUE" PICTURE THAT WE WILL "SAVE" ANY KIND OF MONEY, OR THAT THIS WONT BE " MUCH, MUCH" MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THEY ARE TELLING US?

 

It takes NO genius to figure that out. Why do you think Democrats chose NOT to post the CBO report online BEFORE the vote this time, so people like myself could NOT read it, and scream, WAIT, HOLD ON, so maybe some of the smarter congress guys, who have no other agenda, would actually see it WOULD cost more, would VOTE NO> Go read the CBO projections, the ACTUAL CBO report, not what is written or said on ANY network, for or against. Both side exaggerate, but in truthfulness, the right, does not HAVE to exaggerate on this, because if they would only TELL people that CBO is NOT including that , That alone would prove the bill would cost WAY more than what we are being told. It is always in EVERY projection they have done, on every health care projection, in there somewhere, worded different in everyone, but always says, administration costs are NOT included in these projections...

 

Also, Watch this analysis from the CBO. The immense budget deficit that the government is running will hit $1.6 tn for this year. That will result in a lot of interest payments to buyers of US debt. According to the CBO, the total net interest payment owed on the deficit will hit $1.5 tn total for the five year period from 2010 to 2014. The CBO estimates that, if 10-year yields and T-bill rates moved back to the average levels of 1990s by 2014, the interest bill on the deficit for the five-year period would rise to $2 tn, the CBO says. Use the '80s average on t-bills, and the interest payments climb to $2.6 tn. So far, Treasury yields have stayed low due to a flight to quality. But how long will that last?

Talk about misleading the public... NO way will these projections happen. Look at what they have.

And Martin Feldstein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Reagan, a professor at Harvard and a member of The Wall Street Journal's board of contributors, says the CBO's deficit projections are based on (optimistic) assumptions that the economy will grow at a healthy (3% pace) with (no recessions) during the next decade; LOL that there will be (NO) new spending programs after this year's budget; WOW! And that rising national debt will increase the rate of interest on government bonds by less than 1% MAKE BELIEVE WORLD GUYS!

 

Talk about deficit attention disorder, as the (Financial Times) calls it. The paper also said that the US government is spending your tax dollars like drunken sailors—the difference being that sailors spend their own money.

No president, neither Democrat nor Republican, would have won the election last fall if they told the American people the truth, which they planned to blow out the deficit to epic proportions

Like I have said in my main blog site, for some reason, the way they spend money, 1.3 trillion more to deficit in 9 months, most any other year was in the $400 and some billion range, and Obama is for one world currency, he has said that in early talks as senator, and since Rockefeller family started and runs the pharmaceutical industry, http://www.whale.to/b/ruesch.html ,http://wva1fan.livejournal.com/661.htm, so this should be enough PROOF, or back ground to check into for awhile, IF, you need evidence, look at all the boards David Rockefeller set on, all the colleges, the Bank, etc... WHY do you think Jay wants govt ran health care, so he can MAKE every American BUY and use the treatments HE and AMA says they have to use, just like Medicare. Medicare now cannot buy CHEAP drugs in Canada, they HAVE to buy here. Obama also signed a back door deal with BIG PHARMA, a extension on their patent, so it will be years LONGER before we get generic, and you THINK they are here to HELP US>>> EDUCATE yourselves, PLEASE. Republicans are JUST as bad in some area, BUT right now, this BILL, would KILL us. I am for a NEW start, new people, and gets rid of all this corruption. There is documented PROOF of Rockefeller family and them owning all this, but would take days of me type and posting and pasting and you reading it all, for me to show you, and I have had my computer crash 4 times just trying to send these to you. I "could" pull up CBO reports at ease before, NOW, I cannot. NOT SURE WHY< or I would paste it and send it, but look for PDF file, and it should load for you since you are for this. (YOU SHOULD FIND IT HERE< LOOK FOR CBO PDF IN upper left corner, may be on second page under related articles.) I hope it allows you to pull it up. Until a yesterday, I could. I started writing and letting people know this, and then no longer could.)They may have taken it OFF the internet by now. NOW, I paste everything to off line I find, so no problem copying and posting it again. But never dreamed I would have problems. SOUNDS NUTS< I KNOW>> IF< I can get CBO report pulled up, will be glad to send it showing what it says. Type in your search, CBO health care budget report, pdf. It should come up. Hope this is enough detail, and sorry no paragraphs, but not professional writer, just normal, everyday, legal resident

You mean you can make these comments SUPPORTING something, that you obviously have not even read the ACTUAL projections on, and only take the WORD of ANY party, ANY news person, be it FOX, or CNN or who ever, on who is right on this. FIND your own truth... That is what I did, and what I am trying to get normal, everyday Americans to do... (I get looked down on for no source, and have read many comments on here, and only see opinions, no sources. I guess since I disagree, I need sources. I have done my best, but this would be many pages lone if listed every source)

 

I "could" pull up CBO reports at ease before, NOW, I cannot. NOT SURE WHY< or I would paste it and send it, but look for PDF file, and it should load for you since you are for this. (YOU SHOULD FIND IT HERE< http://www.ask.com/bar?q=cbo+healthcare+report+pdf&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2009%2F10%2F07%2FAR2009100704078.html     LOOK FOR CBO PDF IN upper left corner, may be on second page under related articles.) I hope it allows you to pull it up. Until yesterday, I could. I started writing and letting people know this, and then no longer could.)They may have taken it OFF the internet by now. NOW, I paste everything to off line I find, so no problem copying and posting it again. But never dreamed I would have problems. SOUNDS NUTS< I KNOW>> IF, I can get the CBO report pulled up, I will be glad to send it showing what it says. IF this site won’t come up, just type in search, cbo health care budget report, pdf. It should come up. It HAS to be the Actual CBO PDF file...Hope this is enough detail, and sorry no paragraphs, but not professional writer, just normal guy.

 

If you think that what they are doing is for OUR best interest in mind, especially since the Govt also got BONUS money when screaming about others getting bonus money, with Post Master General Getting OVER $140,000 in PERFORMANCE bonus, and post office LOST millions last year, YOUR Crazy.. You support this without actually READING what the CBO report says... SAD> 

As far as the how I write, I am NO pro, and have never been involved in politics before, but I am a concerned dad, own a business, and KNOW how to read a financial projection. When you leave out the ADMINISTRATION costs that ACTUALLY "run" the bill, then you leave out a huge chunk of expense. (THE ADMINISTRATION COSTS IS WHAT OBAMA SAYS HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES CHARGE SO MUCH ON, SO YOU WOULD "THINK" HE WOULD WANT TO "SHOW" WHAT HIS CHARGES WERE.)WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

 BY leaving out the ADMINISTRATION costs, THEY are leaving out THE COSTS to keep up with all these people who are suppose to be carrying health insurance. The government cannot keep track of who has CAR insurance, much less health insurance. The COST to keep track of not only who all has it, but who gets help with premium, just a little bit of help, or a lot of help, who changes insurance companies, who paid premiums, who has lapsed, got reinstated , and the idea of who gets WHAT help. ALL will change depending on a person’s job, hours worked, like over time, bonus, commissions, pay raise, etc... What happens if you get disabled? When does help kick in? How long will it actually take before HELP kicks in when things change in people lives? THINGS happen quick... ONE car wreck, you become disabled; it now takes 2 years to get SS disability. IF laid off, or have car wreck and can’t work, HOW LONG before you GET HELP for health insurance premiums, or get hit with tax? If you can’t work, you can’t afford premiums, you are in catch 22. ALL OF THIS< FALLS UNDER ADMINISTRATION COSTS! WAKE UP< they are NOT including these costs in these projections. It would be NIGHTMARE, if they were in charge of actual health care govt ran/public option too.

 

By the way, our courts would DEMAND, that ALL illegals be covered under health care, JUST like we have to educate them, though a large % do not pay into tax system. Our constitution DEMANDS it, and OBAMA, being a HARVARD law graduate, KNOWS that, so he was just saying what the public wanted to hear, by saying it WOULD NOT be in the BILL< but knowing he would get his WAY, when the courts would overrule the BILL> VERY SNEAKY, BUT, again, the COST of insuring and including all those people, is NOT in this projection, and it would RAISE this cost so HIGH, no way we can afford it. There are many good illegal folks here. They need to get legal, and pay into taxes. BUT so many get just cash, and get free benefits. I am all FOR helping those who are trying to help themselves, but do NOT want to help free loaders. Our jails are FULL of illegal’s who commit a large % of our crimes, I did NOT say, the largest %. But think how many taxes we spend on taking care of them, educating, treating gun shots, knife wounds, gang fights, the list goes on. 12 million of them, NOT on this bill, and you , I HOPE, have seen the stats on what it costs us to keep illegal’s in jail, and to take care of the hospital needs, etc... MORE than the war... THOSE stats came from the Democratic nominated CBO committee. NOT ME. It would really help if people would just start reading bills their part actually voted on, what bill was, and some of these type stats. It is on freedom of information act, but now, Democrats want to take some of those freedoms away from us. NOT posting this bill before they voted on it-Me no longer being allowed to pull up any of CBO reports, is another. I will try and use another person’s computer and see if I can pull up CBO reports...

 

I will love that the INSURANCE COMPANIES will have to cover preexisting conditions and think they need some change. But they at least do not pay $1000 for ambulance bill, when it should be $200, or $2000 for wheel chair, when it should be $600. Medicare pays what bill is. They do NOT check and see if the test is sent in, even applies to the problem they went in for... The COST to ADMINISTRATE this, IF a public option or govt plan were to go in, would be so expensive, that no way our country can afford this. WHY do you think Medicare is WAY in debt? CBO did not project admin cost back then either. That is why these type bills are being paid in Medicare; they do NOT have the money to properly look at each bill. They hardly have enough money to even stamp and pay bills as that come in, much less LOOK at them. MAKE SENSE? Health insurance companies are in this for profit. So they BUDGET in admin costs. They know what it takes to look at EACH bill when it comes in, to make sure FRAUD does NOT happen like in Medicare. BUT NO WAY they will ever clean up fraud in Medicare because they do not first, know what they are doing, but second, do not have enough money to hire enough people, to actually LOOK at each bill that comes in. IF you talk to doctors, they will tell you, the payments they get from Medicare is very slow. VERY VERY SLOW... Meaning the govt hardly has enough money, to administrate, just making payments...

 

 

WITH THEM NOT INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION COSTS, IN " ANY" OF THESE PLANS, DO YOU THINK IT SHOWS A "TRUE" PICTURE THAT WE WILL "SAVE" ANY KIND OF MONEY, OR THAT THIS WONT BE " MUCH, MUCH" MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THEY ARE TELLING US?

 

It takes NO genius to figure that out. Why do you think Democrats chose NOT to post the CBO report online BEFORE the vote this time, so people like myself could NOT read it, and scream, WAIT, HOLD ON, so maybe some of the smarter congress guys, who have no other agenda, would actually see it WOULD cost more, would VOTE NO> Go read the CBO projections, the ACTUAL CBO report, not what is written or said on ANY network, for or against. Both side exaggerate, but in truthfulness, the right, does not HAVE to exaggerate on this, because if they would only TELL people that CBO is NOT including that , That alone would prove the bill would cost WAY more than what we are being told. It is always in EVERY projection they have done, on every health care projection, in there somewhere, worded different in everyone, but always says, administration costs are NOT included in these projections...

 

Also, Watch this analysis from the CBO. The immense budget deficit that the government is running will hit $1.6 tn for this year. That will result in a lot of interest payments to buyers of US debt. According to the CBO, the total net interest payment owed on the deficit will hit $1.5 tn total for the five year period from 2010 to 2014. The CBO estimates that, if 10-year yields and T-bill rates moved back to the average levels of 1990s by 2014, the interest bill on the deficit for the five-year period would rise to $2 tn, the CBO says. Use the '80s average on t-bills, and the interest payments climb to $2.6 tn. So far, Treasury yields have stayed low due to a flight to quality. But how long will that last?

Talk about misleading the public... NO way will these projections happen. Look at what they have.

And Martin Feldstein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Reagan, a professor at Harvard and a member of The Wall Street Journal's board of contributors, says the CBO's deficit projections are based on (optimistic) assumptions that the economy will grow at a healthy (3% pace) with (no recessions) during the next decade; LOL that there will be (NO) new spending programs after this year's budget; WOW! And that rising national debt will increase the rate of interest on government bonds by less than 1% MAKE BELIEVE WORLD GUYS!

 

Talk about deficit attention disorder, as the (Financial Times) calls it. The paper also said that the US government is spending your tax dollars like drunken sailors—the difference being that sailors spend their own money.

No president, neither Democrat nor Republican, would have won the election last fall if they told the American people the truth, which they planned to blow out the deficit to epic proportions

Like I have said in my main blog site, for some reason, the way they spend money, 1.3 trillion more to deficit in 9 months, most any other year was in the $400 and some billion range, and Obama is for one world currency, he has said that in early talks as senator, and since Rockefeller family started and runs the pharmaceutical industry, http://www.whale.to/b/ruesch.html ,http://wva1fan.livejournal.com/661.htm, so this should be enough PROOF, or back ground to check into for awhile, IF, you need evidence, look at all the boards David Rockefeller set on, all the colleges, the Bank, etc... WHY do you think Jay wants govt ran health care, so he can MAKE every American BUY and use the treatments HE and AMA says they have to use, just like Medicare. Medicare now cannot buy CHEAP drugs in Canada, they HAVE to buy here. Obama also signed a back door deal with BIG PHARMA, a extension on their patent, so it will be years LONGER before we get generic, and you THINK they are here to HELP US>>> EDUCATE yourselves, PLEASE. Republicans are JUST as bad in some area, BUT right now, this BILL, would KILL us. I am for a NEW start, new people, and gets rid of all this corruption. There is documented PROOF of Rockefeller family and them owning all this, but would take days of me type and posting and pasting and you reading it all, for me to show you, and I have had my computer crash 4 times just trying to send these to you. I "could" pull up CBO reports at ease before, NOW, I cannot. NOT SURE WHY< or I would paste it and send it, but look for PDF file, and it should load for you since you are for this. (YOU SHOULD FIND IT HERE< LOOK FOR CBO PDF IN upper left corner, may be on second page under related articles.) I hope it allows you to pull it up. Until a yesterday, I could. I started writing and letting people know this, and then no longer could.)They may have taken it OFF the internet by now. NOW, I paste everything to off line I find, so no problem copying and posting it again. But never dreamed I would have problems. SOUNDS NUTS< I KNOW>> IF< I can get CBO report pulled up, will be glad to send it showing what it says. Type in your search, CBO health care budget report, pdf. It should come up. Hope this is enough detail, and sorry no paragraphs, but not professional writer, just normal, everyday, legal resident
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CBO is NOT including ADMINISTRATION costs in their projection for ANY of the Democrats Health Bills
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Those of you who read this, please either pass this article on by paste and copy, email it, make comments back to me, or at the very least, tell your friends, neighbors, family etc... about what they are trying to pull here. Those who want to keep our country from going bankrupt, or having your health insurance premiums or benefits much worse than now,  call, email, whatever it takes, To get in TOUCH with and to let your state representatives know, YOU DO NOT WANT THIS> VOTE NO< OR GET VOTED OUT ! ! !

I posted this on as a mom site, I am a member, even though a dad> I am a dad, and proud of it. Mothers do have the MOST important job, PERIOD! They will be looking for this in news as well and seeing if FOX is truly looking out for America. To important NOT to be in news and would kill this bill)

To Fox news, Glenn Beck, Shaun Hannity, Bill O'reilly:

PLEASE, GET THIS OUT TO PUBLIC TOMORROW! The CBO in its projections, is leaving out, the ADMINISTRATION costs, THE COSTS to keep up with all these people who are suppose to be carrying health insurance. The government can not keep track of who has CAR insurance, much less health insurance. The COST to keep track of not only who all has it, but who gets help with premium, just a little bit of help, or a lot of help, who changes insurance companies, who paid premiums, who  has lapsed, got reinstated , and the idea of who gets WHAT help. ALL will change depending on a persons job, hours worked, like over time, bonus, commissions, pay raise, etc... What happens if you get disabled? When does help kick in? As example on that. I am now disabled by 3 different doctors. I am divorced, and pay alimony. I have the kids. They live with me. I have actually been disabled for year, and had forgot in my divorce decree there was clause in it about disability. What I pay her was suppose to go down by same % my income went down. Since I own business, I still get some income, but since I cant go in much, twice a month at best, income is down 37%. I figured I would only need to show my tax return, my doctors letters, and adjust alimony. She committed adultery, so really, I did not owe alimony, but kids were afraid they would have to testify in court to what they saw mom do, and my youngest tried to kill herself over this, so I gave in and and did not fight, and paid alimony. I now found out, even though disabled, I have to go back to court, before i can lower her amount. Now, it makes it very hard to pay her with income down, BUT what if I were normal person, who was disabled, and had NO income, or very very little, and was by LAW still mandated to pay her or go to jail. This long story is to show, IF a person gets disabled, HOW long will it takes BEFORE they get help from govt? To PAY health insurance? It has brought to my attention, a lot more things. My court date is NEXT year... HOW in the world are they going to keep up with this>? It will take a lot of people and a lot of TIME. VERY VERY Expensive, and the CBO is LEAVING THIS COST OUT OF THIS PROJECTED PLAN>>> MUCH MUCH harder than CAR insurance, and we already know they do not keep up with that... I own a insurance agency with about 6000 customers, and have for over 20 some years. I sell every kind of insurance, including health. I do not sell much health insurance, basically, because I hate them as much as everyone else.
 
With me having so many customers, and me feel so strongly about this bill being bad for our country, I get a pretty good rating on who is for and against this plan. (Most against)So when  I hear a customer say they are for it, I speak up. So when one of my strong, very strong, Democrat supporters I ran into the other day, at the doctors office, I pointed out to him , that the CBO was not including administration cost in projections AND SHOWED HIM THE CBO REPORT WHERE IT SAYS THAT. HIS EYES LIT UP, AND HE CUSSED, AND HE SAID, "THAT WOULD RUIN OUR COUNTRY, BANKRUPT US, WE WOULD BE SPEAKING CHINESE".  I SAID, WELCOME TO REAL WORLD. HE ASK FOR COPIES OF WHAT I HAD, SO HE COULD SHOW HIS BUDDIES, WHO BELIEVE THE WAY HE, QUOTE "USE TOO" ...HE ASK FOR 12 COPIES, AND 3 DAYS LATER, CAME BACK  FOR 30 COPIES... HE WAS GOING TO A QUOTE, "OLD HOME FOLKS" MEETING... (got copies from lady at docs office)
 
 
I will love that the INSURANCE COMPANIES will have to cover preexisting conditions and think they need some change.But they at least do not pay $1000 for ambulance bill, when it should be $200, or $2000 for wheel chair, when it should be $600. Medicare pays what bill is. They do not check and see if the test being sent in even applies to the problem they went in for.. The COST to administrate this, IF also a public option or govt plan were to go in, would be so expensive, that no way our country can afford this. WHY do you think medicare is WAY in debt. CBO did not project admin cost back then either. That is why these type bills are being paid in medicare, they do NOT have the money to properly look at each bill. They hardly have enough money to even stamp and pay bills as that come in, much less LOOK at them. MAKE SENSE? Health insurance companies are in this for profit. So they BUDGET in admin costs. They know what it takes to look at EACH bill when it comes in, to make sure FRAUD does NOT happen like in medicare. BUT NO WAY they will ever clean up fraud in medicare because they do not first, know what they are doing, but second, do not have enough money to hire enough people, to actually LOOK at each bill that comes in. IF you talk to doctors, they will tell you, the payments they get from medicare is very slow. VERY VERY SLOW... Meaning the govt hardly has enough money, to administrate, just making payments...
 
 DO YOU REALLY THINK, WITH THEM NOT INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION COSTS, IN " ANY" OF THESE PLANS, TRULY SHOWS TRUE PICTURE THAT WE WILL " SAVE" ANY KIND OF MONEY, OR THAT THIS WONT BE " MUCH MUCH" MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THEY ARE TELLING US.
 
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, GET THIS ON THE NEWS, GET THIS KNOWN TO SENATORS WHO ARE VOTING, THEY DO NOT HAVE A BRAIN OF THEIR OWN. THOSE BEHIND THE BILL, THEY KNOW, BUT HAVE OTHER AGENDA, BUT THE REST OF THEM, MOST ONLY GO BY WHAT IS SAID, OR WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. IF THIS BREAKS IN NEWS, THEY WILL SEE THAT THE PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MORE THIS WILL COST, AND THAT WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BEING MISLED, AND THIS IS A HUGE HUGE ISSUE, AND THEY WOULD " NOT" WANT TO VOTE OR BE PART OF THAT BILL, FOR FEAR OF GETTING VOTED OUT. IT WOULD KILL CREDIBILITY OF EVERYONE WHO KEEPS PUSHING THIS BILL.
 
I have written to FOX, and all over my facebook, blogs, twitter, posted on several peoples articles, even one of Hannities today, and have yet to hear ANYTHING about this in news.
 

The GOVT is spending money in such rash ways, that it is like they want to bankrupt us. The jobs Obama is spending money on to develop , are temporary jobs, contracting jobs, to BUILD things, with stimulus money. SO, like clunkers for cash, once money is gone for building the stuff , that STIMULUS MONEY was for, where will these people work? They are not permanent jobs.. They are jobs that will help get them votes in 2010. About the time stimulus kicks in, and stuff needs built, or fixed, or what ever, they will go to work. So unemployment will drop. DEMOCRATS WILL HOPE THEY KEEP HOUSE WITH VOTERS.. THAT WAS PLAN FOR STIMULUS. People can be so naive. They only think of themselves, not BIG picture. As long as they are working, everything fine. They think that job will last forever. I have seen that here in WV. mainly with younger people, get hired to work on building bridge by iron workers union, and they get real excited, go buy stuff, thinking they have it made. 2 years later, bridge built, and laid off. Car reposed, cant pay credit cards, etc.. Banks are hurting then, bank needs bailed out, and round and round we go...What will happen, even IF, we get Obama voted out in 2012, and even IF, we get house back, the problem will be, the map is laid out for us, these jobs created that are created are temporary, so economy will once again collapse, and Republican will get blame. START NOW< predicting this, so when it happens, maybe people will realize what really happened, and wont blame us. I am SICK of it. That is ONLY way they get voted back in, people get mad over economy, and they do not realize the democrats, in most cases, caused it. The war did cause a lot of problems before, BUT< this problem with banks, all on democrats. I pulled up the voting on that, and proved to a staunch democrat what Obama did to Bush. How he voted against going after Freddi mae and fannie mack. Then, turned around and blamed Bush for it happening on HIS watch. The man was very surprised. Angry. With me having so many customers, and I feel so strongly about this bill being bad for our country, that when I hear I customer say they are for it, I speak up. I LIVE IN DEMOCRATIC STATE. WE VOTED AGAINST OBAMA, BUT JAY ROCKEFELLER IS OUR SENATOR. MOST LIBERAL SENATOR UP THERE.  ONE OF THEM. I HOPE TO EDUCATE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET HIM VOTED OUT. ONE OF THESE DAYS, AND I DOUBT YOU EVER WILL, BUT YOUR VIEWERS NEED TO KNOW HOW ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION FOUNDED PHARMACEUTICALS.... ( i understand if this part is NOT in news)

 

Thanks for your time. I hope one of you all will PLEASE put this on the news. IF not, then I KNOW, you are only doing what you do for money, and do not have American people truly in your heart and mind. I hope I am right about you guys. I sure have turned a LOT of people into watching FOX, and each of your programs, so do not let America down on this KEY area that would KILL this bill. With my own eyes , I have seen very hard line Democrats, look at this, and change their views, and realize it is just not good for the country. ONLY those who drink the Koo-laid, will not convert... If explained, similar to what I did, in plain, everyday peoples language, terms they understand, they will understand the costs that are NOT included in this projection... This will be posted on asamom site, I am a member of it. So they will be looking for it in news as well.
 

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Who Really Runs our Health care? ( I fear for my life in writing this ) Who owns Chase Bank?
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Just a concerned dad who is worried about our country. Facts that need to be known. I was shocked when I found this out when looking to see WHY Chelation was NOT covered by insurance. This is long, but worth your time. News Type: Event — Wed Oct 7, 2009 10:05 PM
 

As long as Internet is still available, and we still have freedom of speech, I am taking the liberty to advise people WHO is really behind health care, drug companies, the start of FDA, AMA, ( WHO OWNS CHASE Manhattan BANK) AND who approves the people (even now) who is on the FDA , who approves what is allowed in US for health treatment and what is not. If you could go back in time, and YOU were the one who invented drugs or the IDEA of drugs, curing or treating illnesses, and then could control what OTHER treatments would be allowed to be used for treatments in future for illnesses, THINK, WOW, how RICH you would be. IF, you would CONTROL the colleges that taught medicine, that taught doctors what treatments was " right " and what was " wrong " again, THINK, how RICH you would be. YOU would control the country. ADD in the media, newspapers, magazines, etc.. so nothing really bad could be said about you, WOW... There was a man, who lived back when, and the below is part of his story. NO ONE would publish his book. SO, he started his own publishing company. Some of you may have heard of it.Columbia Publishing House... The problem then was, NO book store would put it in their store.. I will copy the part I found, and then copy a link to another part I found. In the second article that you will have to click on, and no, it is not to sell you on book..LOL Its just a link to the web page so you can read what I found. Where a DOCTOR in the 50's found a CURE for CERTAIN cancers, and the FDA swooped in and killed it. They did not want this cure out there. The article is tied to a treatment of today, called Chelation.
The reason I write this, is that I take CHELATION treatments, and have seen in person how it has saved lives, kept people from having to have expensive surgery, take expensive and side affecting drugs, and with me, the only hope of getting better. Our government likes to point to Europe for the how their health care works. What they do NOT tell you, is that BEFORE a person has open heart surgery there, they go through Chelation first. Since it cleans out your body, and your arteries, like Drano does to pipes, and it DOES NOT, take out to much calcium like the FDA likes to say, most people in Europe end up NOT needing heart surgery. WELL, that would mean NO drugs, so why would the person who owns a part of all the drug companies, want that? If you controlled the FDA, you just say sorry, Chelation is not approved here. SO< insurance will not pay, so most people do not know of it, or cant afford it. I met a man who was told he needed kidney surgery. He would have to wear a bag to go to bathroom from now on, Take medicine from now on. He did what I did, and found out about Chelation. He not only does not take drugs, or wear a bag, he did NOT need cut on... IF< insurance HAD covered it, it would have been MUCH cheaper. IF, government was SERIOUS about truly helping the American public and saving on health costs, they would approve such things, and get rid of this POWERFUL EMPIRE... The problem is, it is now SO powerfull, so RICH, and has its hand in about every aspect of government, not sure how they would do that. I honestly FEAR for my life by writing this. People have died who have went up against this group in the past. Since I have never been involved in politics before now, I am only writing this in hopes to " WAKE UP " the every day person. If you are like I was, no way you thought this type thing was going on in US. No way would socialism come in US. NO WAY would GOD be taken out of our country. SOMETHING is up. I have NO idea what it is., MANY ideas are out there. They ALL sound NUTS. BUT one of, if not all, are partly true. IF WE , the American public, the everyday person, does not SPEAK up, and shout, WAIT A MINUTE, this is our country, YOU work for me. QUIT this spending, start doing what is RIGHT by us, NOT YOU. CALL, EMAIL, BOTH, your congress person, in your state, and say VOTE NO, on health care, on spending, get us in financial order, or get voted out. I do not care if Democrat or Republican.

Did you know, the Post Office General got a performance BONUS, of over $140,000... YES, a BONUS, and the post office lost MILLIONS last year. Also, even some staff, of government employees got $14,000. I sure did not HEAR that in news. I now know why... I did not hear congress screaming about taxing that bonus 90% or making them give it back. WHY, when country broke, did they not give that money back to us? The reason, bonus was given out, they had excess money left from their budget, and IF, they did not SPEND it, they would not get that much next year. SO, we get to look forward to them getting another bonus, on what ever areas of government did not spend their money in areas they were budgeted for. No wonder we are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt. BOTH parties took bonus, so I am sure that is one reason we have NOT heard of this. ASK your congress person about this, TRY and get this in news. ALL this information on bonus is on freedom of information act. Until we get these type people OUT of office, we will always be in debt. VOTE them out. ITS in OUR hands. Here is article. Other link is below that.

The Truth About the Rockefeller Drug Empire: The Drug Story

By Hans Ruesch

Examples The Rockefeller Foundation Censorship Persecution America's Medico-Drug Cartel Colonization The Image "The Ludlow Massacre" Thorough Facelift The Purchase of Public Opinion The Intellectuals — A Bargain Millions of Dollars Free Publicity

In the 30's, Morris A. Bealle, a former city editor of the old Washington Times and Herald, was running a county seat newspaper, in which the local power company bought a large advertisement every week. This account took quite a lot of worry off Bealle's shoulders when the bills came due.

But according to Bealle's own story, one day the paper took up the cudgels for some of its readers that were being given poor service from the power company, and Morris Bealle received the dressing down of his life from the advertising agency which handled the power company's account. They told him that any more such "stepping out of line" would result in the immediate cancellation not only of the advertising contract, but also of the gas company and the telephone company.

That's when Bealle's eyes were opened to the meaning of a "free press", and he decided to get out of the newspaper business. He could afford to do that because he belonged to the landed gentry of Maryland, but not all newspaper editors are that lucky.

Bealle used his professional experience to do some deep digging into the freedom-of-the-press situation and came up with two shattering exposes — "The Drug Story", and "The House of Rockefeller." The fact that in spite of his familiarity with the editorial world and many important personal contacts he couldn't get his revelations into print until he founded his own company, The Columbia Publishing House, Washington D.C., in 1949, was just a prime example of the silent but adamant censorship in force in "the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave". Although The Drug Story is one of the most important books on health and politics ever to appear in the USA, it has never been admitted to a major bookstore nor reviewed by any establishment paper, and was sold exclusively by mail. Nevertheless, when we first got to read it, in the 1970s, it was already in its 33rd printing, under a different label - Biworld Publishers, Orem, Utah.

Examples

As Bealle pointed out, a business which makes 6% on its invested capital is considered a sound money maker. Sterling Drug, Inc., the main cog and largest holding company in the Rockefeller Drug Empire and its 68 subsidiaries, showed operating profits in 1961 of $23,463,719 after taxes, on net assets of $43,108,106 - a 54% profit. Squibb, another Rockefeller-controlled company, in 1945 made not 6% but 576% on the actual value of its property.

That was during the luscious war years when the Army Surgeon General's Office and the Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery were not only acting as promoters for the Drug Trust, but were actually forcing drug trust poisons into the blood streams of American soldiers, sailors and marines, to the tune of over 200 million 'shots'. Is it any wonder, asked Bealle, that the Rockefellers, and their stooges in the Food and Drug Administration, the U.S. Public Health Service, the Federal Trade Commission, the Better Business Bureau, the Army Medical Corps, the Navy Bureau of Medicine, and thousands of health officers all over the country, should combine to put out of business all forms of therapy that discourage the use of drugs.

"The last annual report of the Rockefeller Foundation", reported Bealle, "itemizes the gifts it has made to colleges and public agencies in the past 44 years, and they total somewhat over half a billion dollars. These colleges, of course, teach their students all the drug lore the Rockefeller pharmaceutical houses want taught. Otherwise there would be no more gifts, just as there are no gifts to any of the 30 odd colleges in the United States that don' t use therapies based on drugs.

"Harvard, with its well-publicized medical school, has received $8,764,433 of Rockefeller's Drug Trust money, Yale got $7,927,800, Johns Hopkins $10,418,531, Washington University in St. Louis $2,842,132, New York's Columbia University $5,424,371, Cornell University $1,709,072, etc., etc."

And while "giving away" those huge sums to drug-propagandizing colleges, the Rockefeller interests were growing to a world-wide web that no one could entirely explore. Already well over 30 years ago it was large enough for Bealle to demonstrate that the Rockefeller interests had created, built up and developed the most far reaching industrial empire ever conceived in the mind of man. Standard Oil was of course the foundation upon which all of the other Rockefeller industries have been built. The story of Old John D., as ruthless an industrial pirate as ever came down the pike, is well known, but is being today conveniently ignored. The keystone of this mammoth industrial empire was the Chase National Bank, now renamed the Chase Manhattan Bank.

Not the least of its holdings are in the drug business. The Rockefellers own the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world, and use all of their other interests to bring pressure to increase the sale of drugs. The fact that most of the 12,000 separate drug items on the market are harmful is of no concern to the Drug Trust...

The Rockefeller Foundation

The Rockefeller Foundation was first set up in 1904 and called the General Education Fund. An organization called the Rockefeller Foundation, ostensibly to supplement the General Education Fund, was formed in 1910 and through long finagling and lots of Rockefeller money got the New York legislature to issue a charter on May 14, 1913.

It is therefore not surprising that the House of Rockefeller has had its own "nominees" planted in all Federal agencies that have to do with health. So the stage was set for the "education" of the American public, with a view to turning it into a population of drug and medico dependents, with the early help of the parents and the schools, then with direct advertising and, last but not least, the influence the advertising revenues had on the media-makers.

A compilation of the magazine Advertising Age showed that as far back as 1948 the larger companies in America spent for advertising the sum total of $1,104,224,374, when the dollar was still worth a dollar and not half a zloty. Of this staggering sum the interlocking Rockefeller-Morgan interests (gone over entirely to Rockefeller after Morgan's death) controlled about 80 percent, and utilized it to manipulate public information on health and drug matters - then and even more recklessly now.

Censorship

"Even the most independent newspapers are dependent on their press associations for their national news," Bealle pointed out, "and there is no reason for a news editor to suspect that a story coming over the wires of the Associated Press, the United Press or the International News Service is censored when it concerns health matters. Yet this is what happens constantly."

In fact in the '50s the Drug Trust had one of its directors on the directorate of the Associated Press. He was no less than Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times and as such one of the most powerful Associated Press directors.

It was thus easy for the Rockefeller Trust to persuade the Associated Press Science Editor to adopt a policy which would not permit any medical news to clear that is not approved by the Drug Trust "expert", and this censor is not going to approve any item that can in any way hurt the sale of drugs.

This accounts to this day for the many fake stories of serums and medical cures and just-around-the-corner breakthrough victories over cancer, AIDS, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, which go out brazenly over the wires to all daily newspapers in America and abroad.

Emanuel M. Josephson, M.D., whom the Drug Trust has been unable to intimidate despite many attempts, pointed out that the National Association of Science Writers was "persuaded" to adopt as part of its code of ethics the following chestnut: "Science editors are incapable of judging the facts of phenomena involved in medical and scientific discovery. Therefore, they only report 'discoveries' approved by medical authorities, or those presented before a body of scientific peers."

This explains why Bantam Books, America's biggest publisher, made a colossal mistake in its initial enthusiasm and optimism sending review copies of SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT to the 3,500 "science writers" on its list, instead of addressing them to the literary book reviewers who are not subject to medical censorship. One single censor decreed NO and SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT sank in silence.

Thus newspapers continue to be fed with propaganda about drugs and their alleged value, although according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 1.5 million people landed in hospitals in 1978 because of medication side effects in the U.S. alone, and despite recurrent statements by intelligent and courageous medical men that most pharmaceutical items on sale are useless at best, but more often harmful or deadly in the long run.

The truth about cures without drugs is suppressed, unless it suits the purpose of the censor to garble it. Whether these cures are effected by Chiropractors, Naturopaths, Naprapaths, Osteopaths, Faith Healers, Spiritualists, Herbalists, Christian Scientists, or MDs who use the brains they have, you never read about it in the big newspapers.

To teach the Rockefeller drug ideology, it is necessary to teach that Nature didn't know what she was doing when she made the human body. But statistics issued by the Children's Bureau of the Federal Security Agency show that since the all-out drive of the Drug Trust for drugging, vaccinating and serumizing the human system, the health of the American nation has sharply declined, especially among children. Children are now given "shots" for this and "shots" for that, when the only safeguard known to science is a pure bloodstream, which can be obtained only with clean air and wholesome food. Meaning by natural and inexpensive means. Just what the Drug Trust most objects to.

When the FDA, whose officials have to be acceptable to Rockefeller Center before they are appointed, has to put an independent operator out of business, it goes all out to execute those orders. But the orders do not come directly from Standard Oil or a drug house director. As Morris Bealle pointed out, the American Medical Association (AMA) is the front for the Drug Trust, and furnishes the quack doctors to testify that even when they know nothing of the product involved, it is their considered opinion that it has no therapeutic value.

Persecution

Wrote Bealle:

"Financed by the taxpayers, these Drug Trust persecutions leave no stone unturned to destroy the victim. If he is a small operator, the resulting attorney's fees and court costs put him out of business. In one case, a Dr. Adolphus Hohensee of Scranton, Pa., who had stated that vitamins (he used natural ones) were vital to good health, was taken to court for 'misbranding' his product. The American Medical Association furnished ten medicos who reversed all known medical theories by testifying that 'vitamins are not necessary to the human body'. Confronted with government bulletins to the contrary, the medicos wiggled out of that one by declaring that these standard publications were outdated!"

In addition to the FDA, Bealle listed the following agencies having to do with "health" —. i.e., with the health of the Drug Trust to the detriment of the citizens —. as being dependent on Rockefeller: U.S. Public Health Service, U.S. Veterans Administration, Federal Trade Commission, Surgeon General of the Air Force, Army Surgeon General's Office, Navy Bureau of Medicine & Surgery, National Health Research Institute, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences.

The National Academy of Sciences in Washington is considered the all-wise body which investigates everything under the sun, especially in the field of health, and gives to a palpitating public the last word in that science. To the important post at the head of this agency, the Drug Trust had one of their own appointed. He was none other than Alfred N. Richards, one of the directors and largest stockholders of Merck & Company, which was making huge profits from its drug traffic.

When Bealle revealed this fact, Richards resigned forthwith, and the Rockefellers appointed in his place the President of their own Rockefeller Institution, Detlev W. Bronk.

America's Medico-Drug Cartel

The medico-drug cartel was summed up by J.W Hodge, M.D., of Niagara Falls, N.Y., in these words:

"The medical monopoly or medical trust, euphemistically called the American Medical Association, is not merely the meanest monopoly ever organized, but the most arrogant, dangerous and despotic organisation which ever managed a free people in this or any other age. Any and all methods of healing the sick by means of safe, simple and natural remedies are sure to be assailed and denounced by the arrogant leaders of the AMA doctors' trust as fakes, frauds and humbugs.

Every practitioner of the healing art who does not ally himself with the medical trust is denounced as a 'dangerous quack' and impostor by the predatory trust doctors. Every sanitarian who attempts to restore the sick to a state of health by natural means without resort to the knife or poisonous drugs, disease imparting serums, deadly toxins or vaccines, is at once pounced upon by these medical tyrants and fanatics, bitterly denounced, vilified and persecuted to the fullest extent."

The Lincoln Chiropractic College in Indianapolis requires 4,496 hours, the Palmer Institute Chiropractic in Davenport a minimum of 4,000 60-minute classroom hours, the University of Natural Healing Arts in Denver five years of 1,000 hours each to qualify for a degree. The National College of Naprapathy in Chicago requires 4,326 classroom hours for graduation. Yet the medico-drug cartel spreads the propaganda that the practitioners of these three "heretic" sciences are poorly trained or not trained at all —. the real reason being that they cure their patients without the use of drugs. In 1958, one of those "ill-trained" doctors, Nicholas P. Grimaldi, who had just graduated from the Lincoln Chiropractic College, took the basic science examination of the Connecticut State Board along with 63 medics and osteopaths. He made the highest mark (91.6) ever made by a doctor taking the Connecticut State Board examination.

Colonization

Rockefeller's various "educational" activities had proved so profitable in the U.S. that in 1927 the International Educational Board was launched, as Junior's own, personal charity, and endowed with $21,000,000 for a starter, to be lavished on foreign universities and politicos, with all the usual strings attached. This Board undertook to export the "new" Rockefeller image as a benefactor of mankind, as well as his business practises. Nobody informed the beneficiaries that every penny the Rockefellers seemed to be throwing out the window would come back, bearing substantial interest, through the front door.

Rockefeller had always had a particular interest in China, where Standard Oil was almost the sole supplier of kerosene and oil "for the lamps of China". So he put up money to establish the China Medical Board and to build the Peking Union Medical College, playing the role of the Great White Father who has come to dispense knowledge on his lowly children. The Rockefeller Foundation invested up to $45,000,000 into "westernizing" (read corrupting) Chinese medicine.

Medical colleges were instructed that if they wished to benefit from the Rockefeller largesse they had better convince 500 million Chinese to throw into the ashcan the safe and useful but inexpensive herbal remedies of their barefoot doctors, which had withstood the test of centuries, in favor of the expensive carcinogenic and teratogenic "miracle" drugs Made in USA, which had to be replaced constantly with new ones, when the fatal side-effects could no longer be concealed; and if they couldn't "demonstrate" through large-scale animal experiments the effectiveness of their ancient acupuncture, this could not be recognized as having any "scientific value". Its millenarian effectiveness proven on human beings was of no concern to the Western wizards.

But when the Communists came to power in China and it was no longer possible to trade, the Rockefellers suddenly lost interest in the health of the Chinese people and shifted their attention increasingly to Japan, India and Latin America.

The Image

"No candid study of his career can lead to other conclusion than that he is victim of perhaps the ugliest of all passions, that for money, money as an end. It is not a pleasant picture.... this money-maniac secretly, patiently, eternally plotting how he may add to his wealth.... He has turned commerce to war, and honey-combed it with cruel and corrupt practices.... And he calls his great organization a benefaction, and points to his church-going and charities as proof of his righteousness. This is supreme wrong-doing cloaked by religion. There is but one name for it —. hypocrisy."

This was the description Ida Tarbell made of John D. Rockefeller in her "History of the Standard Oil Company", serialized in 1905 in the widely circulated McClure's Magazine. And that was several years before the "Ludlow Massacre", so JDR was as yet far from having reached the apex of his disrepute. But after World War II it would have been hard to read, in America or abroad, a single criticism of JDR, nor of Junior, who had followed in his father's footsteps, nor of Junior's four sons who all endevoured to emulate their illustrious forbears. Today's various encyclopedias extant in public libraries of the Western world have nothing but praise for the Family. How was this achieved?

Ironically, the two apparently most NEGATIVE events in the career of JDR brought about a huge POSITIVE change in his favor, to a degree that he himself could not foresee. To wit:

In the year when according to the current Encyclopaedia Britannica (long become a Rockefeller property and transferred from Oxford to Chicago), Rockefeller had "retired from active business", namely in 1911, he had been convicted by a U.S. court of illegal practices and ordered to dissolve the Standard Oil Trust, which comprised 40 corporations. This imposed dissolution was to provide his Empire with added might, to a degree that was unprecedented in the history of modem business. Until then, the Trust had existed for all to see - an exposed target. After that, it went underground, and thereby its power was cloaked in security, and could keep expanding unseen and therefore unopposed.

The second apparently negative experience was a certain 1914 event that persuaded JDR, until then utterly contemptuous of public opinion, to gloss over his own image.

"The Ludlow Massacre"

The United Mine Workers had asked for higher wages and better living conditions for the miners of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company, one of the many Rockefeller-owned companies.

The miners —. mostly immigrants from Europe's poorest countries —. lived in shacks provided by the company at exorbitant rent. Their low wages ($1,68 a day) were paid in script redeemable only at company stores charging high prices. The churches they attended were the pastorates of company-hired ministers; their children were taught in company-controlled schools; the company libraries excluded books that the Bible-thumping Rockefellers deemed "subversive", such as "Darwin's Origin of the Species." The company maintained a force of detectives, mine guards, and spies whose job it was to keep the camp quarantined from the danger of unionization.

When the miners struck, JDR, Jr., then officially in command of the company, and his father's hatchet man, the Baptist Reverend Frederick T. Gates, who was a director of the Rockefeller Foundation, refused even to negotiate. They evicted the strikers from the company-owned shacks, hired a thousand strike-breakers from the Baldwin-Felts detective agency, and persuaded Governor Ammons to call out the National Guard to help break the strike.

Open warfare resulted. Guardsmen, miners, their women and children, who since their eviction were camping in tents, were ruthlessly killed, until the frightened Governor wired President Wilson for Federal Troops, who eventually crushed the strike, The New York Times, which then already could never be accused of being unfriendly to the Rockefeller interests, reported on April 21, 1914.

"A 14-hour battle between striking coal miners and members of the Colorado National Guard in the Ludlow district today culminated in the killing of Louis Tikas, leader of the Greek strikers, and the destruction of the Ludlow tent colony by fire."

And the following day:

"Forty-five dead (32 of them women and children), a score missing and more than a score wounded is the known result of the 14-hour battle which raged between state troops and coal miners in the Ludlow district, on the property of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company, the Rockefeller holding. The Ludlow is a mass of charred debris, and buried beneath it is a story of horror unparalleled in the history of industrial warfare. In the holes that had been dug for their protection against rifle fire, the women and children died like trapped rats as the flames swept over them. One pit uncovered this afternoon disclosed the bodies of ten children and two women."

Thorough Facelift

The worldwide revulsion that followed was such that JDR decided to hire the most talented press agent in the country, Ivy Lee, who got the tough assignment of whitewashing the tycoon's bloodied image.

When Lee learned that the newly organized Rockefeller Foundation had $100 million lying around for promotional purposes without knowing what to do with it, he came with a plan to donate large sums - none less than a million - to well-known colleges, hospitals, churches and benevolent organizations. The plan was accepted. So were the millions. And they made headlines all over the world, for in the days of the gold standard and the five cent cigar there was a maxim in every newspaper office that a million dollars was always news.

That was the beginning of the cleverly worded medical reports on new "miracle" drugs and "just-around-the-corner breakthroughs" planted in the leading news offices and press associations that continue to this day, and the flighty public soon forgot, or forgave, the massacre of foreign immigrants for the dazzling display of generosity and philanthropy financed by the ballooning Rockefeller fortune and going out, with thunderous press fanfare, to various "worthy" institutions.

The Purchase of Public Opinion

In the following years, not only newsmen, but whole newspapers were bought, financed or founded with Rockefeller money. So Time Magazine, which Henry Luce started in 1923, had been taken over by J.P. Morgan when the magazine got into financial difficulties. When Morgan died and his financial empire crumbled, the Thorough FaceliftHouse of Rockefeller wasted no time in taking over this lush editorial plum also, together with its sisters Fortune and Life, and built for them an expensive 14-story home of their own in Rockefeller Center —. the Time & Life Building.

Rockefeller was also co-owner of Time's "rival" magazine, Newsweek, which had been established in the early days of the New Deal with money put up by Rockefeller, Vincent Astor, the Harrimann family and other members and allies of the House.

The Intellectuals — A Bargain

For all his innate cynicism, JDR must have been himself surprised to discover how easily the so-called intellectuals could be bought. Indeed, they turned out to be among his best investments.

By founding and lavishly endowing his Education Boards at home and abroad, Rockefeller won control not only of the governments and politicos but also of the intellectual and scientific community, starting with the Medical Power —. the organization that forms those priests of the New Religion that are the modern medicine men. No Pulitzer or Nobel or any similar prize endowed with money and prestige has ever been awarded to a declared foe of the Rockefeller system.

Henry Luce, officially founder and editor of Time Magazine, but constantly dependent on House advertising, also distinguished himself in his adulation of his sponsors. JDR's son had been responsible for the Ludlow massacre, and an obedient partner in his father's most unsavory actions. Nonetheless, in 1956 Henry Luce put Junior on the cover of Time, and the feature story, soberly titled "The Good Man", included hyperboles like this:

"It is because John D. Rockefeller Junior's is a life of constructive social giving that he ranks as an authentic American hero, just as certainly as any general who ever won a victory for an American army or any statesman who triumphed in behalf of U.S. diplomacy."

Clearly, Time's editorial board wasn't given the choice to change its tune even after the passing of Junior and Henry Luce, since it remained just as dependent on House of Rockefeller advertising. Thus, when in 1979 one of Junior's sons, Nelson A. Rockefeller died —. who had been one of the loudest hawks in the Vietnam and other American wars, and was personally responsible for the massacre of prisoners and hostages at Atticia prison - Time said of him in it obituary, without laughing: "He was driven by a mission to serve, improve and uplift his country."

Perhaps it was all this that Prof. Peter Singer had in mind when telling the judges in Italy that the Rockefeller Foundation was a humanitarian enterprise bent on doing good works. One of their best works seems to be sponsoring Prof. Peter Singer, the world's greatest animal friend and protector who claims that vivisection is indispensable for medical progress and for more than 20 years refuses to mention that legions of medical doctors are of the opposite view.

Millions of Dollars Free Publicity

Another interesting revelation in the article of Time was that many years ago already Singer "was pleasantly surprised when Britannica approached him to distill in about 30,000 words the discipline that is, at its heart, the systematic study of what we ought to do." So now we touch the subject of sponsorisation and patronage. They don't always mean immediate cash but, more important, long-term profits.

Many decades ago the Encyclopedia Britannica moved from Oxford to Chicago because Rockefeller had bought it to add much needed luster to the University of Chicago and its medical school, the first one he had founded. Peter Singer, "the world's greatest animal defender" who keeps a door permanently open to vivisection and the lucrative medical swindle, gets millions of dollars free publicity thanks to the worldwide engagement of the Rockefeller Foundation and the media makers who are in no position to oppose it.

From the article in Time we also learned that Singer's mother had been a medical doctor in the old country, which could mean that little Peter started assimilating all the Rockefeller superstition on vivisection with his mother's milk.

Taken from the CIVIS Foundation Report number 15,
Fall-Winter 1993 CIVIS: POB 152, Via Motta 51-CH 6900,
Massagno/Lugano, Switzerland

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REMEBER THIS>>> WHO OWNS ( CHASE Manhattan BANK?) READ AND REMEMBER THIS PART? ( read last 2 paragraphs)

The last annual report of the Rockefeller Foundation", reported Bealle, "itemizes the gifts it has made to colleges and public agencies in the past 44 years, and they total somewhat over half a billion dollars. These colleges, of course, teach their students all the drug lore the Rockefeller pharmaceutical houses want taught. Otherwise there would be no more gifts, just as there are no gifts to any of the 30 odd colleges in the United States that don' t use therapies based on drugs.

"Harvard, with its well-publicized medical school, has received $8,764,433 of Rockefeller's Drug Trust money, Yale got $7,927,800, Johns Hopkins $10,418,531, Washington University in St. Louis $2,842,132, New York's Columbia University $5,424,371, Cornell University $1,709,072, etc., etc."

And while "giving away" those huge sums to drug-propagandizing colleges, the Rockefeller interests were growing to a world-wide web that no one could entirely explore. Already well over 30 years ago it was large enough for Bealle to demonstrate that the Rockefeller interests had created, built up and developed the most far reaching industrial empire ever conceived in the mind of man. Standard Oil was of course the foundation upon which all of the other Rockefeller industries have been built. The story of Old John D., as ruthless an industrial pirate as ever came down the pike, is well known, but is being today conveniently ignored. The keystone of this mammoth industrial empire was the Chase National Bank, now renamed the (Chase Manhattan Bank).

Not the least of its holdings are in the drug business. The Rockefellers own the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world, and use all of their other interests to bring pressure to increase the sale of drugs. The fact that most of the 12,000 separate drug items on the market are harmful is of no concern to the Drug Trust...

In 1958,( Chase Manhattan Bank )introduced the Chase Manhattan Charge Plan, the first bank in the nation to offer customers a convenient, immediate gratification interest-bearing credit card. Consumer credit, encouraged by constant tantalizing media advertising, has sky-rocketed. Recently, big pharma started advertising their consistently inadequately tested, questionably-safe products. If your doctor fails to prescribe their latest miracle cure or vaccines for every minor malady, just ask for the product or injection and hope that the side effects don't permanently harm or kill you.

On June 4, 1963, President John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110 which directed the U.S. Treasury to issue $4,292,893,815 in interest-free U.S. Notes. On October 2, 1963, he issued NSAM 263, an order for the immediate withdrawal of 1,000 U.S. military advisors from Vietnam and a timetable for the withdrawal of all CIA operatives and U.S. personnel. This would have ended the steady stream of profits to the banks. He was assassinated on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas.

HMMM, its all about the money... these last 2 paragraphs were taken from this link. Bank bail outs...below

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Articles/Bailout2.htm

 

Career at the Chase Bank

In 1946, Rockefeller became the family's first and only banker when he joined the staff of the longtime family-associated Chase National Bank ("the Rockefeller Bank"). The chairman at that time was his uncle Winthrop Aldrich, the son of the powerful U.S. Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, and the brother of his mother, Abby Aldrich. Chase National subsequently became the Chase Manhattan Bank in 1955, now called JPMorgan Chase.

Also, CBO is NOT including administration costs in their projection for health care. THINK, how much MORE it would COST, if they would include the cost to keep track, of EVERY person, and who has insurance, and who does not? Who needs help, who does not, That chnages as jobs do. It will cost a fortune. They can NOT keep track of WHO has CAR insurance, what makes you THINK they can on health insurance? VOTE NO>> tell them... NOW


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